The Antichrist

[Conspirasist]

People have many different views about the antichrist. Some have said
that hitler could have been it but that didn't pan out to well. People are saying
that George W. Bush is the antichrist but i don't believe that to be the case.

I believe the bible says that who-ever the antichrist is, " he will be known and
loved by all". Bush nor hitler are loved by people to that degree.

I don't believe that the antichrist will be anyone that is associated much with
having caused great wars or people who posess great powers, such as world
learders like a president or a dictator.

It is in my opinion that the antichrist will be someone who associates himself
with God because this will be the person who is loved by all. If you haven't
figured it out by now, the person i refer to is no other than the pope.

For years now we have been hearing stories of how popes, past and present
have been hiding the truth from us about the origins of mankind, aliens and
about God. They have everything we need to know, locked up in their underground
vaults where no one can view them and not to many people are even aware of
all this information. In the meantime, these spiritual leaders of the world go around
maniputating the public and gathering a broader following of believers. These people
love these popes dearly and would follow them anywhere, even unto death.

Another reason i think the pope will be the antichrist is because after our current pope,
pope bennidict, according to a prophecy by St. Malachy, there will only be one pope
left to serve in the catholic church. There are to be no more popes after that one.

Here is a little info about that.
Prophecy on Pope Fulfilled by Eclipses?

Many of you may not like infowars.com or alex jones but it was just by chance that
i found this info there. This is something i had also seen on tv many years ago to so
this isn't about alex jones but about the prophecy of St. Malachy.

Anyway, like i said before, this antichrist when first coming into power, will be loved
by all. He will perform maricle like the kind mankind has never witnessed before. He
will bring countries together to live in harmony together and the list goes on. Who
better fits that description than the pope?

Any opinions on this?

[James Lewitzke]

I think the most common Antichrist tale is that they come in threes. From what I've heard, they believe that Napolean was the first Antichrist, Adolf Hitler was the second, and the third has yet to reveal himself.

And this third one is the one who'll bring about World War III along with Armageddon and the New World Order towards the end of the war. That's the common consensus I feel, anyway. I have no idea who it could be though.

[Conspirasist]

Where did you hear about the 3 antichrists.
Doesn't the bible only speak about one?

[James Lewitzke]

A show mentioned that the first two were like "test antichrists" or something, and the third one would be the "real one, worst one yet to come" and Satan actually possesses his body during the middle of the NWO's reign, which lasts about 7 years or so after WWIII.

It was on some Antichrist show on the History Channel, if I'm recalling it correctly (But then again I'm not sure if my story above is entirely accurate, I can't remember off-hand). There might be a couple of articles about it too online, I'll check once I get the chance.

[Conspirasist]

Another guy i speak with on another forum mentioned
the same thing about 3 antichrists but i didn't pay to much
attention to it at the time. Now that you mentioned it, it has
me wondering where this information comes from.

As far as i know, the bible only speaks of one antichrist (KJV).
Maybe bibles from different countries with different religions
speak of more than one.

[Conspirasist]

Upon investigating the antichrist, i found something in
I John 2:18 (KJV)

Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that the
antichrist was coming, so now many antichrists have appeared.
Thus we know this is the last hour.

So the bible does say there can be many antichrists.

Jews around the world do not follow the teachings of
jesus. They barely recognize that he ever existed. In
a sense, that makes them antichrists to. In a sense,
that would make anyone that doesn't follow jesus teachings
an antichrist but we should assume the antichrist is
going to be a very evil person.

I still say the last pope will be one of them, if not the
main antichrist. He will start out by seemingly looking
like a godly type person but in the end, he will have
deceived the multitudes. The pope has this kind of power
over people right now without even trying. Call me wrong
if you want but this is what i believe.

[James Lewitzke]

Antichrist simply means "Against Christ", or the teachings of Christ, so in my opinion, anyone who's not a Christian could technically be considered an "Antichrist".

Originally Posted by Conspirasist

I still say the last pope will be one of them, if not the
main antichrist. He will start out by seemingly looking
like a godly type person but in the end, he will have
deceived the multitudes. The pope has this kind of power
over people right now without even trying. Call me wrong
if you want but this is what i believe.

I remember hearing about that popular theory too. The main Antichrist is suppose to be a "Great Deceiver" and people will think he is actually Christ for a brief period of time, when he claims he is Christ. I can definitely see the papacy as platform to execute that theory.

[Conspirasist]

And that is exactly why i feel the last antichrist could be our last pope.

[Mirisido]

Doesn't the Biblical (sadly Bible meaning book, how ironic and unitelligable) deffinition of the antichrist seem more to be Jesus's second coming? That "him" coming back would be him being loved because he is the "Jesus" figure. So salvation IS damnation. Kinda odd.

[Conspirasist]

Welcome to these forums, Mirisido. Things have been pretty
dead around here lately, so it's nice to see a new member to
talk with.

I don't understand what your trying to say but i'll take a crack
at it.

Of course, jesus would be loved by all but this isn't about jesus
second coming. This is about the antichrist.

It been a while since i read the bible so i'm not sure who comes
first. Jesus or the antichrist.

I believe jesus is suppose to come first and rapture all his chosen
ones and the antichrist follows after him.

The antichrist will start out by being like/loved by all but later on
he shows his true colors by turning evil.

My personal opinion about God is that i believe God exists but
it never have any interaction will humans.

I believe jesus came to earth and maybe he even taught people
about God but jesus wasn't the son of God.

I think maybe jesus came from another planet. Maybe from the
pleiadies.

My opinion is that there was never an official religion that jesus
supposedly taught. Mankind created religion to manipulate and
control mankind.

The bible contradicts itself so much that i find it hard to believe
that it was inspired by God.

Sorry about the bad post but i just got off of work and i'm really
tired right now. Maybe i can post something better this week-end.

[James Lewitzke]

Originally Posted by Mirisido

Doesn't the Biblical (sadly Bible meaning book, how ironic and unitelligable) deffinition of the antichrist seem more to be Jesus's second coming?

I think it depends on how you interpret the bible.

While I haven't personally read the book, I have heard some stories via my Dad reading it to my family a couple of times.

Anyway, I thought the bible interpreted the antichrist as a whole seperate entity, apart from Jesus, holy trinity, etc. He'll just be "a man" throughout most of his life (probably aware of the satanic position he'll hold in history).

But halfway after the time he becomes THE world peace leader, his body will be taken over by Satan himself and will come to be everything evil that everyone will fear and expect him to be.

I could be wrong though....

[Mirisido]

But in all truth the Bible is a giant contradiction. a piece of entertainment literature taken to another level. Like someone killing themselves over the last book of "Harry Potter". The idea of the antichrist said that when "he" (since reference to men is the main focus, if its all true it could be a woman also) comes the followers of God will be protected and led to heaven (or something of the latter) and the non-believers will have the mark of the devil, or pagans, or something, on them and they will be forced to stay. Now the second comming of Jesus is said that the everyone will be sent to one place or the other regardless. Now if they are both to happen wouldn't that contradict itself? Where the followers are ALREADY with God, why would the need for the antichrist, or vise verca, (i cant spell so forgive me) frankly the Bible to me is just a piece of entertainment literature more than a guidline of what is to come or a history book.

[Conspirasist]

I remember reading something about this guy who wanted to
become a preacher, so he went to a bible college to learn all that
he could about God and the bible.

As the guy read the bible and got more in depth details about
each book of the bible, he began seeing many contradictions in
it. He went to his teachers many many times and pointed out
each flaw in the bible and i guess his teaches got scared that this
guy would expose the bible for the lies it tells us, so they kicked
him out of school.

I'll try to find that story again.

[Mirisido]

I went to a few catholic schools as a kid. I was accually thaught in my religion classes that the Bible was filled with contradictions and to not follow it to the letter. That the Bible, though the main focus of christianity, isn't a history book. It's not ment to be taken literally. Every time I talk with someone who takes it 100% literally they always dance around my questions about stories that contradict each other. Like noone can accually answer it. The first 2 stories of Genesis are 2 DIFFERENT stories of creation. They give different orders on how things were created. I ask someone about it that takes it literally and they quickly changed the subject. Some ppl i've asked start stuttering and making no sense in their explenation.

[Conspirasist]

That's the same thing that happened with the guy in
bible college. His teachers just gave him the run around
until they got tired of him and booted him out of school.

The books in the bible were never meant to be turned into
any religion. They were only meant to be used as guidelines
on how we should live our lives.

It was all the old world religious leaders back in the days of
jesus and after that were responsible for rewriting the bible to
suit their needs and from there it was turned into a religion,
complete with the tithing plate.

The plejarens say that the Talmud of Jmmanuel is the closest <--- Changed pleiadians to plejarens
thing to what was taught by God and Jesus but i don't know
that for a fact.

I made a mistake. There are no pleiadians because there is no life
in the pleiadian star system, according to the plejaren race.

The plejaren are the ones that contacted billy meier and they are
about 80 light years from the pleiades.

[Barcs]

I think the anti christ is more like a concept and not a person. Example, nuclear weapons. The deception is nuclear energy.

[Mirisido]

Conspirasist, i lost ya on that one bud, plz elaborate a tad for me

[Conspirasist]

I take it i lost you on the plejaren thing. Am i correct?

The plejarens are a human alien race that have been
visiting earth probably since it's creation.

They are the ones that used to be in contact with billy
meier. If you haven't heard about that yet then search
for billy meier and you will find a whole lot of info about
him and his contacts with the plejarens. There's a lot of
stuff on youtube about him and the plejarens.

Anyway, they are telling billy the jesus wasn't his real name.
Earth humans gave him that name.

His real name is Jmmanuel or Immanuel.

Jmmanuel is still alive today and living with the plejarens.

According to Jmmanuel, the bibles we read from today are
not the teachings that he taught back in the biblical days.

Mankind has changed the bible to keep control of the masses
through deception.

There is another book out today called "Talmud of Jmmanuel"
and it is supposed to be the exact teachings of Jmmanuel.

Here is a link to it if you care to read it or download it.
http://www.fourwinds10.com/journals/talmud/talmud.pdf

If i didn't answer your question correctly then let me know.

[Mirisido]

very interesting, yes that was what confused me, now its time to read some more

[howzUsay]

the internet is the answer to all questions, therefore it is the antichrist

the bible's very existence must mean something; it is hugely popular; how else do we all know what it is?

and finally, false prophets exist. In order to beware of all false prophets, beware all prophets. Que sera, sera.

[Conspirasist]

I guess anyone that doesn't speak good about God and Jesus could
be considered an anti-christ but it isn't going to be an object like
the internet.

Since my last posting in this thread, i've done a lot of research into the whole jesus story and i found something really very interesting.

The story of jesus or his character (the son of god) isn't the first
occurrence in history. This story has been told and retold, long
before jesus entered the picture.

Many supposed sons of God came before jesus and told the same
exact story that was told about jesus. These other sons of God
performed miracles like healing the sick, raising the dead, walked
on water, calmed storms. Everything that was told about jesus
was also told about these other sons of God so this really make
me beileve that jesus never existed or did but was nothing like
was portrayed of him.

It is now of my opinion the God is real but he/it never interacted
with mankind at all. God doesn't demand worship of him. God is
a creational force, an energy being or what-ever you want to call
him/it but nothing is demanded from him.

The only meaning for the bible is for control of the masses. If you
control the people, you control the money flow into your church
and this is all i believe churches were setup for, to collect money
so that these lazy people didn't have to work.

The bible is just full of contradictions and since this book was
supposed to have been inspired by God, you would think that it
would stand the test of time but it is rapidly falling apart as people
realize all the words they have read in the bible are in fact mostly
lies.

One of Gods commandments is "Thou Shalt Not Kill" but yet he
orders his people to go out and kill all the men, women, children
and even the babies and the unborn babies still in the mother
womb. He even orders the killing of animals. For a God that is so
just and true, how could he order the deaths of thousands of
people? How can he tell us not to kill but it's ok when he tells us
to go out and kill? What the difference? People still get killed either
way. He goes on to say that if there are young women children,
he tells the men to take these females and have their way with
them. I'm not sure at want age God considers children "Women"
but females can bare children at around 12 - 13 so this is just
plain sick. It would be like boinking your own little daughter. How
could God order something like this?

THe answer is easy, he didn't. Like i said earlier, God never had any
interaction with mankind and it is mankind that created the bible
to keep the masses under their control.

The bible is nothing more than a book of lies.

[Mirisido]

ok i have to disagree with "The bible is nothing more than a book of lies." That's like saying any sci-fi book is a book of lies. They are books of stories or a story. Humans put emphasis on the Bible. Seeing how old it is and how determined the apostles were to spread it around. And Jesus was a real, living, breathing person. There is deffinate historical evidence of his existence. However his Surname was NOT Christ. Christ just means The Chosen One. There isn't any true evidence if miricles happened but him as a human isn't all that unbelievable, if anything its more than believable. Don't take me wrong, im not biased in any way towards any religion. I don't believe in any, but historical evidence of a living human being i will have to defend.

[Conspirasist]

Actually, It's supposed to be Jesus " The Christ". I don't know how
the two names got put together. I just read today that jesus wasn't
even his real first name.

Here is a web site you can check out.
Evil Bible Home Page

The lies i speak of are about how God is so loving, yet he orders
the murder of thousands. He even allowed his people to take the
babies of their enemies and bash them against rocks. How can
God be so loving while he is ordering his people to go out and kill?

If there was a god in those days, it wasn't the God we think of.
The God i believe in is a creational force and is the one responsible
for creating the universe. I don't believe this God ever had any
interaction with mankind.

History is loaded with lesser gods though and i'm betting these
gods were nothing more than what we today call aliens. It is one
of these alien races that i believe to have interacted with mankind
and they seen this race as a god.

I won't go into any detail though because i'm sure many of you
don't even research ufo's / aliens and their roles in religion and i
just don't want to waste my energy trying to convince anyone of
something they don't want to believe.

[Mirisido]

ok im going to defiels in detail right here right now. This may accually encompass some of your beliefs accually, from the what I got out of your last comment.

The God Christains, Jews, Muslims, etc. believe in as with all other gods of great proportion weren't what they think. I don't accually believe one creature or being created the universe. I am fully into the Big Bang Theory. How those particles got THERE is none of my concern truly and honestly.

I believe the human race and our entire planet as one big experiment. Think about it, what do we do when we experiment, mostly trial and erorr right? Well look in the bible, torra, etc. and you see TONS of trial and error by this godly figure. I believe an alien being, that may have even looked like us, attempted a cloning experiment. It illegal right now to clone a human on our planet is it not? Well i believe the same basis happened on said alien being's planet/home. It was probably a scientist, a smart/insane one by comparison to the rest of it's kind. It and it's team set out to attempt their cloning experiment by placing more of genes and the basic essentials to life on a single planet. And they just watched. Humans came to be by an attempt of cloning and/or the wanting to see how evolution truly and fully worked by placing their own DNA into the area.

Humans came about in all this. We counted our creator as a God. In the bible it even says that god said not to use his real name. Well think about it, if you made life illegally would you want an entire planet speaking your name? No. You would say "Call me ..." so to not let on about who started the experiment. This creature was probably not alone, something like this would take a few to partake in so of course it had a team. Most the UFO's that ACCUALLY come around are probably apart of this team, or at least a break off of it still studying. The first alien has probably died off, years ago and now it's team and/or it's decendents have taken over the experiment.

I'm sure this is COMPLETELY your beliefs. I accually haven't found anyone who believes this with me, Just been told "it's plausible" or "your insane"

Well thats accually not the entire system of my beliefs on the subject, im just tired of typing.

[Conspirasist]

This sounds very much like the story about the anannuki that you
are talking about.

In this story, the anannuki from the planet nibiru or planet x, came
to earth in search for gold. They needed gold to repair their
atmosphere. Major gold finds where found inside the earth and the
anannuki began mining for it. Eventually, the anannuki began to
complain about all the hard work they had to do in order to extract
the gold. They felt that hard labor was beneath them and they
refused to mine any more.

Some of their highly trained scientist came in and brought up the
idea of creating a new life form that could do all the mining for
them. Everyone agreed that this was the way to go so the
scientist began experimenting with primitive apes by combining
ape dna with that of their own and soon came up with a completely
obedient human male that could do all the work for them.

Many of these human males were created and put to work and
things were working out well. One day, one of the scientist felt
that humans should free will of there own, to be able to make their
own choices and this idea was brought before the anannuki counsel.
They disapproved of this idea so this scientist went off by
himself and created a smarter human race and taught them how
to grow food. (Remind you of the adam and eve story?)

I'm not going to tell the whole story because frankly, i can't
remember all of it but this story is probably the one you are
talking about.

As for my beliefs about it, i think that it is entirely possible that
we humans were created by alien life forms.

I think God is just a creational energy being and it really didn't
interact with mankind at all. It was all those other alien life forms
that i believe came to earth, after our creation and posed as a
god to us.